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What are your beliefs about addiction and recovery?

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MATLOCK RECOVERY

Addiction Genetic

I am dead set that this is genetic.  It may skip a generation but it is always there, lurking.  My case study on this is my alcoholism that came down my fathers side.  My dad &  there was talk of my dad's dad having this.  My father died when I was 7 years old (unrelated to alcoholism) and I had little environmental effects to influnce me.  As I grew up and my disease took hold in High School.  This is where it became a fact.  My mother had to face my father's alcoholism again through me.  She said it was very scarry to see the EXACT effect it had on me.  She said she could see it in my eyes, the rage, the anger, the stupid grin on my face when I was drunk & happy.  The Jekyll/Hyde behavior change from a wonderful person to a mean monster.  The way I would go out all nigh and come back a sloppy drunk.  Quite sad that my mother had to live through that twice.  By the way, my mother's father drank one scotch every night before dinner until he was 85 years old.  Maybe a dozen times in his live he drank 2, lol   wooooooooo.  I guess it is a luck of the draw what hand you get. 

Peace, Love & Harmony.

Jeff 

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THINK, BELIEVE, DREAM, DARE

Genetic Yes-but maybe more

ski4evr wrote: I am dead set that this is genetic.  It may skip a generation but it is always there, lurking.  My case study on this is my alcoholism that came down my fathers side.  My dad &  there was talk of my dad's dad having this.  My father died when I was 7 years old (unrelated to alcoholism) and I had little environmental effects to influnce me.  As I grew up and my disease took hold in High School.  This is where it became a fact.  My mother had to face my father's alcoholism again through me.  She said it was very scarry to see the EXACT effect it had on me.  She said she could see it in my eyes, the rage, the anger, the stupid grin on my face when I was drunk & happy.  The Jekyll/Hyde behavior change from a wonderful person to a mean monster.  The way I would go out all nigh and come back a sloppy drunk.  Quite sad that my mother had to live through that twice.  By the way, my mother's father drank one scotch every night before dinner until he was 85 years old.  Maybe a dozen times in his live he drank 2, lol   wooooooooo.  I guess it is a luck of the draw what hand you get.  Peace, Love & Harmony. Jeff

I know for me that this journey I'm on is directly related to what I need to learn.  Genetics by design not luck of the draw is the only way I could of gone through the pain and misery I put myself through and others.  Without this disease/genetics/spiritual malady call it what you wish, I believe they are the same, like to discuss thoughts.
I believe you cannot make yourself a person with what I'll call the disease of addiction (DOA).  People can become tissue dependent and with a detox they do not wish to put themselves through the pain and misery it may have caused.  A person with the DOA will gladly/willingly return, lying to themselves it will be different this time. Until finally at the end they acknowledge it will be h*ll? but they just need to escape the emotional pain they are feeling, past or present, or fearful of a future they cannot control.
I believe this time of interaction is necessary, whether you believe the different points of view or not.  Because I have learned that the DOA continues to seek out other avenues to gain access. Drugs and alcohol, (alcohol is a drug) are only a synptom of the problem-I am the problem.

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MATLOCK RECOVERY

Hi folks,
i'm thinking that under-funded research will be questioning the cause(s) of addiction for decades ... each finding the answer they desire simply because that is the way of research politics ... self-interested folks attempting to manipulate the system to keep their meager funding.
True science may find an answer, but as long as those of us who have the disease are not billionaires, i doubt the real answer will ever be publicized to any great degree, so genitic, social, environmental, combination, whatever, really doesn't matter much, but i want to say a big thank you to my man Jeffro for bring it up ... love you brother! If i ever get another Friday free i will be calling to go to that meeting.
Assessing responsibility for the disease for me is just another blame game anyway. Sure it would be fun to have the information to help find a cure, but as long as the economy, legal or otherwise, profits on the exploitation of the addicted, i doubt seriously if any real cure will be found. i mean look at this culture, look at 3 of the most popular legal corporate industries: tobacco, which is only recently becoming politically incorrect; alcohol; which ran afoul of the politically correct years back with prohibition, but represents one of the biggest failures of legislated morality this nation has ever seen; and lets not forget coffee, speed freaks running the corporate nation with over roasted cafine solutions.
Okay, i'm not done with my rant by a long shot but i gotta ride coming for a meeting ... one has to have priorities, after all....
e-hug

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You've gotta be tough to be named after a Muppet

NO CURE

I believe that there will never be a so call "CURE" for the disease of addiction (DOA).  No pill or therapy will provide us with what we need for very long. Traditional programs have also failed if you look at the percentage rate.  They are a begining something that has worked for me but has fallen short for the majority.  The message is slightly antiquated and the information outdated but the general theme is correct I believe.  Providing one with more options and different theroies just maybe what they connect to.  I don't use the word RELAPSE, I call it the R word, something dirty and discusting.  It implies to too many that they can try again and just come back.  I needed to know that I could die the next time, keping real the reality of this disease.  So today I teach people to say they got drunk/loaded and for that moment did not care if they lived or died.  If any of this interests you give me a shout.  (much much more).
Vince

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Belief of Addiction

I believe I was born with this disease of addiction. I am not from a family of alcoholics, although I think it can also be genetic. For me I have a very addictive personality and can be addicted to most things .From the time I took my first drink, I believe I was an alcoholic.

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THENEWME63

TheNewMe63 wrote: I believe I was born with this disease of addiction. I am not from a family of alcoholics, although I think it can also be genetic. For me I have a very addictive personality and can be addicted to most things .From the time I took my first drink, I believe I was an alcoholic.

I believe it is genetic, cannot be acquired, but tissue dependency can happen to anyone.  Can bypass other family members or be seen in them with other addictive traits, overeating, workaholic... still the same problem, the disease of addiction (DOA).  As soon as I can figure out how to downsize by upload I will give you what I present visually, as the ANSWER.

Vince

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MATLOCK RECOVERY

i believe i was born with a highly addictive personality. my mother was a heroin addict and i was born addicted. she was also an alcoholic. as for genetics i think its 50/50 nature nurture. for me my addiction was a symptom of a deeper problem and when i took my first drink at the age of 10.....i found a great way to hide the pain. i didn't have to feel anything anymore ....the disease of addiction is progressive, chronic and fatal. i know for myself there is no one more time because in my addiction my drug of choice was all. i almost died because of my disease and im not willing to go down that road again.as with any disease it will progress until it will kill you and that is just the facts about our disease

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the journey through life is an amazing ride

I like your style Vince!  Yea it's jails, institutions, or death. I have to be real clear on that, and I am.  Even better just death because that is the reality.  I also believe this addiction is genetic.  My father had it, his father had it & so on.  Now my son has it.  He's 19 so we'll see how far he takes it.  The seed has been planted for him, and he know where to come when he's ready, and that's all I can do.  He has to travel his own road.  It's so hard watching your children fall into the same traps as you without being able to do anything about it but pray for them.  I'm just glad this program is here.  Think of what it was like before Bill & Bob... insane asylums is what there was, and where most drunks like us ended up.  Pretty scary stuff.  This is a much easier softer way, and I feel blessed this program is here for us, and it's free!  All I have to do is put a dollar in the basket. 
Thanks for listening
Blessings to all.
Sunshine

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Through adversity, we find strength.